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? >>> the answer to that question is in the hands of house speaker john boehner who is offering an candid take on tuesday's results. it might be causing more republican hand wringing to opening the door to deal making. >>> and the british are coming. what president obama and prime minister cameron can do together to get the global economy on track and resolve serious situations like syria. >>> good morning from washington. it's friday, november 9th, 2012. this is "the daily rundown" i'm chuck todd. let's get right to my first reads in the morning. at 11:00, in the white house east room the president will speak to the nation for the first time since his election about what he hopes to accomplish before the end of the year. before taking on the new challenges though the president changed his campaign workers this emotional video from wednesday was released by the obama campaign. >> you guys have done, and the work that i'm doing has improved. i'm really proud of that. i'm really proud of all of you. and -- and what -- [ applause ] >> now it's back to governing. today the president will layout hi
. what struck me yesterday with john boehner he was saying as we approach the fiscal cliff, boehner was saying yesterday that the bottom line for republicans after this election is the same as it's been for 22 years. that is, that any kind of income tax hike, especially for the wealthy, is off the table for them. do you have a sense of what the white house is thinking is on the table? we approach january 1st. is it that they are really eager mainly to strike a grand bargain they can sell as a major bipartisan achievement? is the idea of fighting past january 1st if necessary to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy americans more of a priority for them? >> no. i think they want a deal if they can get it. you're right to listen closely to john boehner, because what he had is he'll accept some revenues in the context of tax reform, a big, wonderful, fuzzy nebulous idea. what he won't expect initially is a change in the rates. of course, that's what it's about. it's about the rates for the highest income earners. and that's where john boehner is refusing to start out in the nego
leader in the senate, he tried to call john boehner and mitch mcconnell but he was told they were asleep, quote after his speech, mr. obama tried to call both mr. boehner and the senate republican leader, mr. mcconnell but was told they were asleep. i realized it was late night and everything but if the president calls you and you are asleep, do you not get woken up? isn't that sort of a standing order? one of the things we can all agree on the sort of thing you get out of bed for? the presidents an on the phone, okay, i'll wake up and take the phone no matter who you are? no. john boehner and mitch mcconnell were still asleep and no woke them up. since then, they have made statements about what they see happening in this next year, indicating that maybe they also slept through the part of the night when the results of the election came in. mr. mcconnell put out a statement what's clear about this election is that the voters have not endorsed president obama's first term. the fact that the president won the election is not an endorsement of the president? filling in a little bubble next
of a package is the president going to try to get as he begins to work with house speaker john boehner on this? as you remember during the 2011 negotiations, they tried to get a grand bargain. a $4 trillion deficit reduction that would have included cuts to medicare and medicaid, but also some tax increases. ultimately that deal fell apart. there are some democrats that would like to see the president try to go big again in this second term. now the white house pardoned by some of the comments that john boehner made by saying that he's willing to come to the table to talk to the president about that. as you pointed out, he said that does not include tax increases for the wealthy. but i have been talking to some of my republican sources on the hill who say the speaker's language is important. it suggests a potential willingness to work with the president on the issue of taxes, which is of course the big sticking point. what does that mean? we don't know. it could mean eliminating deductions for big corporations for the wealthiest americans. those are the details that will have to be hammered ou
want to bring in chris van holen. everybody's parsing his wards. what did you hear from john boehner? he said he's willing to budge on revenue, not hike taxes, but is that enough. what are republicans willing to give here. >> the jury is still out. speaker boehner should put his r revenue plan on the table. i mean based on this republican theory that's been proven wrong by history that somehow by giving folks at the top of the income ladder a tax break, you'll create all this economic activity and it will pay for itself and not increase the deficit. we know that failed because what happened after we tried that last time was jobs went down and the deficit went up. so i think the speaker shoumd do what he says that he wants to do. put this out in public. the president has put his plan in public. it was a central part of the debate. saying that folks at the higher end should pay more to reduce our deficit because if we don't ask them to chip in more, it means everybody else gets hit harder. >> you heard what he said. we're not going to raise taxes on small business. and for republicans,
in washington. >> i think the good news for the country is that john boehner and his president actually have a pretty good relationship. they like each other. that's a really good starting point. it's something you don't see in washington these days. and all you see between democrats and republicans is acrimony. i think boehner set a great signal yesterday. i think the person who called boehner yesterday and said let's get back to work is a big deal. >> i want to ask you. do the american voters really get the attention of the gop now? do they send a clear message that misogynistic, bigoted, homophobic candidate es just dot fly. how do they get the party back on track? >> losing does a lot more parties, and spending time in the desert does a lot toward figuring out how to get to water. the republican party obviously has a lot of work to do, but i'm encouraged they will get the message, that we understand we've got to be a larger tent. we can't continue to just go after a shrinking -- trying to expand a shrinking demographic and recognize we need more tolerance, more diversity, and more polici
in the house, not a huge number. if you're john boehner in the press conference he had, one of his lines was, i think we have a lot of work to do as it relates to the republican party. the republican party is trying to figure out what happened and i don't know if in the midst of a what happened self-examination you really want to go into a huge political fight with the consequences you've just outlined with the president of the united states. >> mark halperin, do you agree that the president has the leverage right now and all the signals from john boehner are that first of all, be he wants to make a deal, perhaps returning to the bargain that was left on the table, and that this time he has the support of eric cantor and others, not all of the conservatives, the fiscal hawks in the house caucus, but of the leadership. >> i think all the movement since the elections towards a deal as chris said in part because the president's win was bigger than people thought in part because the balance of power in the senate coming up. the big questions, who will the democratic minority leader be in the house,
, we have the president winning re-election. we have john boehner returning to the speakership. harry reid returning. to being the senate majority leader. and while the status quo was the big winner last tuesday, the history books will not remember the names john boehner and harry reid as long as they will remember what this re-election meant for president barack obama. >> that's exactly right. it i it is an affirmation historically. you could argue that maybe one of the reasons he's crying is he's going to have to deal with john boehner and harry reid going forward. so there could be a very practical trigger there. but certainly, i mean, what mike and john have said is exactly right. it's an important moment. he's the third democrat, fourth democrat, to do this in a century. woodrow wilson, franklin roosevelt, bill clinton and barack obama. not bad company to be in. >> by the way, i heard you say that on wednesday morning. who was the democrat -- the last democrat before that to do it? >> well -- >> that's a test. >> -- that is a test. >> jackson? >> i guess it would be jackson. >> i
. john boehner, the speaker of the house, also 25uked about the fiscal cliff and hinted for compromise. you got to listen carefully to see the compromise that could be coming. let's listen. >> it's clear, there are a lot of loopholes in the tax code, both corporate and personal. it's also clear that there are all kinds of deductions, some of which make sense, others don't. everything, everything on the revenue side and the spending side has to be looked at. >> anyway, senator chuck schumer this morning suggested that the right wing might be more willing to accept compromise now. it's been helpful. let's watch. >> boehner wants to compromise, that's why he gave that speech. boehner's not a hard right guy, he's a mainstream conservative. i think he's going to help. the hard right is chastened in a lot of ways. >> in south carolina, a republican, jeff duncan, who quoted him as follows, when i look at the results of the election, congressman duncan says, it becomes clear to me that the house is now the last line of defense for preserving freedom in this country. the people of south carolin
that is on the table for democrats and republicans and that is the president and speaker of the house, john boehner and how they are going about this discussion as far as the bush tax cuts and america's sort of fiscal future. now, mark, i'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. first play sound from president obama and john boehner yesterday talking about doing the delicate dance of revenue raraisers. >> i'm not going to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%. how you make up the trillion dollars just by closing loopholes and deductions, the math tends not work. >> i've outlined a framework how both parties can work together to avert the fiscal cliff without raising tax rates. ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. >> mark a baby version of the themes we've talked about before, which is to say you have a hard line part of the republican party then the deal making part of the republican party and the democrats. how do you think this turns out? can john boehner, do you think john boehner can corral or quiet the more radical elements of the republican party to come to the table
. john boehner doesn't have the leverage he used to have. on a conference call he told house republicans they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that mark so much of the last two years. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell was the number one obstructionist in the president's first term. now he tells "the wall street journal" he'll do whatever it takes to get a deal. i'd be willing to pay the ransom if e we thought we were going to get the hostage out. but the hostage is what? entitlement spending. mcconnell's intention, he's willing to agree to a dollar of new taxes for every dollar in cuts. what a difference an election makes. >> i'm going to ask a question on the stage. they seau had a real spending cuts deal, 10 to 1. spending cuts to tax increases. spooker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand about not raising taxes. >> remember in 2011 republicans would not take a 10 to 1 tax cut deal? now today mitch mcconnell is willing to do a 1 to 1 deal. republicans lost all of their leverage in this election. they
closing loopholes. that is a reputation of what john boehner suggested in the days since the president has been re-elected. >> that's totally right. a key point, the simpson-bowles tax idea is kind of a magic pony, right. everyone agrees in the ab instruct, we can bring down the rates, close loopholes and deductions and raise revenue. if that's such a wonderful idea how come it's only come up now. how come no one has done it. the reason is because it's really, really hard politically. once you get into the specifics. if you're trying to tie all the revenue to this abstract tax reform idea you're going to get into a position where the revenue is about never going to happen because once you get into reality it doesn't materialize. >> you have to do both, john. you have to do -- you have to raise the the rates and close loopholes to get the amount -- >> just raise the rates. >> you can't raise the rates high enough to produce $1.6 trillion. >> you can get $900 billion from expiring the bush tax cuts. >> and where do you get the other $700 billion from from. >> do a little reform and cut the r
from the trail. house speaker john boehner is doing the dance of the seven veils. ♪ >> a day after the president's re-election, the speaker of the house opened the door to additional tax revenues. >> we're willing to accept new revenue under the right conditions. >> but after that telling peekaboo, boehner pulled back, announcing tax increases are not an option. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable. >> raising tax rates will slow down our ability to create the jobs that everyone says they want. >> last night, he revealed to diane sawyer that his party was no longer seeking to repeal the affordable care act. >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was elected, obama care is the law of the land. >> but you won't be spending the time next year trying to repeal obama care. >> there may be parts of it that we believe need to be changed. we may do that. no decisions at this point. >> but hours after that interview, boehner shrouded himself once again tweeting, obama care is law of the land but it is raising costs and threatening jobs. our goal has
is saying, look, john boehner has talked about the possible of raising revenues, he looks really reasonable now. he hasn't said no. the big question is, we've talked about this since the election, you and i and others, that what's at stake here is whether boehner can actually cut a deal and still remain speaker of the house. that is there isn't a mutiny, there isn't an opening on the right for a rebellion against him. he could not do that last time around in the summer of 2011 when the president tried to reach this grand bargain with him. it was clear to people working with him and in the room, democrats and members of the administration, that he himself would have cut that deal and would have, you know, walked away and held the president's hand and said look what we can do when we're adults in washington. but he was told by members of his own party, if you do that, our speakership is done for. so the question is after this election, does he have any more leverage, any more leeway having suffered the loss? >> and the answer to that question is? >> joy just said, listen, the president has to
that will automatically go into effect at the end of the year. speaker of the house john boehner opened the door yesterday to getting the deal done and striking a more conciliatory tone. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans, but as americans. we want you to lead, not as a liberal or a conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want you to succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has eluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do the right thing together for our country. >> meantime, senate majority leader harry reid said he is open to working together too, but there was a but. >> i'm going to do everything within my power to be as conciliatory as possible. i want to work together. but i want everyone to also understand you can't push us around. we want to work together. >> let me bring in legendary investigative journalist carl bernstein and political reporter for "the washington post" nia ma malika henderson. good morning to you. everybody is sounding cordial, but we still have the same players.
. i think you heard john boehner say that. we've had votes in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. >> we need the republicans to do in 2012 what we did in 2010. we hear the mandate continue to cut spending, but they have to hear the than date real revenues not like dynamic scoring. >> and here's what happens if no agreement is reached before january 1st.bush tax rates expire. emergency unemployment benefits will end. the 2011 payroll tax holiday expires. and $984 billion in cuts will be triggered. joining me now, andy sullivan and sher a tupletts. what do you expect to come out of the meeting friday and will any real progress made? >> oh, no, but i think the optics will be important. there will beside by side getting their picture taken and i think this will reassure voters and most importantly investors that they are serious about the problem and they want t to get something done before the end of the year. they've pretty much gotten a free ride from the markets. everybody knew this was coming up, but interest rates have remained low and the stock
to sign it. >> cynthia, the "new york times" reported on a conference call john boehner the speaker had and it's very interesting what tone he set and a gop senator. let me give you the quote p the quote from the "times" is that their party lost badly, mr. boehner said, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked much of the last two years. members on the call subdued and dark, murmured words of support. that's interesting. and then you had senator bob corker, a key member of the banking committee, went on fox news and said the wealthy should contribute more. listen to this. >> we know there has to be revenues and i think -- look, i haven't met a wealthy republican or democrat in tennessee that's in the willing to contribute more as long as they know we solved the problem. >> i mean, we know there has to be more revenues. i haven't met a wealthy republican or democrat that's not willing to contribute more. it's amazing what an election can do to some people. >> indeed it does sound as though reality is beginning to intrude because all we've heard up to now is absolute no we won't
in chicago, and house speaker john boehner was already hinting at another major fight in congress over taxes and spending. >> in order to garner republican support for new revenues, the president must be willing to reduce spending and shore up entitlement programs that are the primary drivers. mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans, but as americans. >> president obama will make a statement tomorrow in the east room. the automatic spending cuts and tax hikes kicked in january 1st if washington can't reach a deal. a lot of people fear it's going to be a repeat of what happened in 2011 when the republicans 4e8d the debt ceiling hostage to get what they wanted. but thing, i guess, you could say are a bit different. we are two days removed from a landslide victory, as well as a new 55-45 democratic senate majority. the president is also the winner of the popular vote. did you hear that, republicans? winner of the popular vote with the majority of the country supporting him. the only area in government where the democrats fell shot was in the co
a one on one with john boehner. we'll be seeing him again on monday. it sounds at least like his tone is definitely changed. take a listen. >> i remain optimistic that we'll be able to find common ground. i'm the most reasonable and responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over. >> did you know that john boehner was the most reasonable person in washington? did you know that? >> no. you said that to me last week. he is sort of the adult in the room in a lot of cases. consider the fact that the members of congress who are freshman and sophomores in their first two terms, the highest number since world war ii, we've got all of these new people coming to washington who don't know how the town works, how the legislating process works and everybody sort of wants to fix everything right away and they wanted to fix it on their own terms. john boehner has been around for a long time and sort of knows how these deals work, how to stitch together these things. at the end of the day, that's what ends up happening.
to the leaders is we need to work together to resolve this. i would point out that house speaker john boehner in his press conference yesterday echoed the president's sentiments to some extent saying he's willing to work with the president on the issue of taxes. that's the big issue here in washington. so signalling that he would be willing to work with the president. now, will this actually happen? of course, the republican conference is larger than the house, so speaker boehner is saying something in his conference going along with it are two different things. they're in a wait and see mode. we won't see the crisis of debt debate in the summer of 2011. >> i hope you're right. nationally syndicated host and msnbc contributor michael sikonis, and a.b. stott dard, social editor for the hill paper as well as the huffington post. sam stein with us. sam, let's start off with you. speaker boehner says he's open to tax revenue, also spending cuts. similar to the speaker boehner before some of the house republicans got ahold of him, and he basically pulled back on a deal struck with the president. >
measures have to originate in the house. john boehner talked about the looming fiscal cliff and like the president he also hinted at room for compromise. you have to listen carefully to see the compromise that could be coming. >> it's clear that there are a lot of special interest loopholes in the tax code, both corporate and personal. it's also clear that there are all kinds of deductions, some of which make cents. others don't. everything, everything on the revenue side and on the spending side has to be looked at. >> senator chuck schumer in new york this morning on msnbc suggested that the right wing might be more willing to accept compromise now. he's being hopeful. let's watch. >> boehner wants to compromise. that's why he gave that speech. you know, boehner is not a hard right guy. he's a incompetent mainstream conservative and i think it's going to work because the hard right a chastened in a lot of ways. >> here is a republican who may not be quite in on what happens happening after the election, jeff duncan. when i look at the results of the election congressman duncan says
seemed to be that john boehner couldn't bring to the table his side. the president, i thought, was willing to do exactly what you just suggested, to take some heat from the left and of the spectrum, make the deal and make concessions, see what the other side needed and i think boehner on his own could agree to that, he did but couldn't match the gang of six and couldn't get the tea party to go along without a mutiny. >> what of the tea party? we've had an election, the president has been re-elected the senate is now back in -- remains in democratic can hands. republicans are not feeling good about the path forward for the party demographically speaking. how much does this sway does the tea party have in the negotiations? >> we want to get him involved. >> certainly they're neutered from where they were two years ago. all of that -- you saw tight races, michele bachmann squeaked it out, alan west is most likely going down. all that being said we won't know the answer to the power they have until the civil war within the gop plays out. if you have folks like eric cantor, who has
house? is it john boehner? >> i think the president is the only with one that can sign the agreement. john boehner needs to have an agreement that the house of representatives will pass, and i think whatever the two of them agree on will pass the senate. but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i
is there to do? the signals from john boehner, the speaker of the house, are that he's got some more leverage with his republican caucus than he had back in the day, and that there is talk of coming up with more revenue. maybe not calling it a tax increase, not a rate increase, but finding some way to raise some more money. >> right. you know, andrea, i hate to sound an optimistic note when it comes to politics, but i do think the signals coming out of john boehner's sort of world, and out of president obama's statement last week is that there can be some common ground here, that president obama, i think, clearly has some leverage due to what happened in the, in his own race, as well as at the senate level. so i think he has that. and then john boehner, i think a little bit more questionable in how much more leverage he has within his own caucus, but we shall see. if both of them can sort of say, look, let's do this, this is important to the country, let's move on, we can disagree about lots of other things, but we're going to compromise and move forward. whether that compromise is not raisin
and the unemployment rate would shrink to 5.5%, but not until 2018. house speaker john boehner yesterday remained steadfast in his position on raising taxes. >> i remain optimistic we're going to be able to find common ground avoid this fiscal cliff and find a way to work together. >> by when? january 1st? >> i would hope so. >> the president is talking about specific increases. he campaigned on specific increases and tax rates from 35% to 39% for those making more than $250,000. so is that on the table right now? >> raising taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription given where our economy is. >> is it on the table to talk about? >> i made clear -- >> to have the wealthier americans pitch in. >> -- that raising tax rates is unacceptable. frankly, it couldn't pass the house. >> you will talk about it even if it's the wrong approach. >> of course we'll talk about it. we'll talk about all kinds of things we may disagree on. i'm the most reasonable, responsible here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over. now it's time to
for joining us. >>> last night house speaker john boehner -- also, he's not backing off his stand on tax hikes. >> raising taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription given where our economy is. >> is it on the table to talk about? >> i made clear yesterday that raising tax rates is unacceptable and frankly it couldn't even pass the house. >> at issue here is this perfect economic storm that could have serious consequences. nbc's andrea mitchell breaks it dun for you. >> reporter: the campaign was tough. victory is sweet. now comes the hard part. >> on january 1st, 2013, there's going to be a massive fiscal cliff of large spending cuts and tax increases. >> reporter: so what exactly is the fiscal cliff? it's night mare combination of tax hikes and spending cuts the president agreed to to force themselves into a compromise. so far, they haven't agreed on anything. so barring a last-minute fix at the stroke of midnight on new year's eve, the bush tax cuts expeer. the alternative minimum tax kicks in. more than half of all married couples with two children would owe an additional $4,
republican john boehner, the republican speaker of the house, says absolutely not. taxes will not rise. it cannot pass the congress. it cannot pass the house. probably can't pass the senate in his estimation. he's digging in his heels. he says we can raise revenues, taxes on the wealthy by closing loopholes. that's the appreciate thoach tho take. there's a lot at stake here if we go over that fiscal cliff. it sounds so ominous because it is. a half a trillion dollars in extra taxes for american families over the course of just one year alone. add to that the cuts in defense and domestic spending $1 trillion over ten years and the cbo estimates the unemployment rate will shoot up to 9.1%. we could go back into another recession. some democrats are encouraging the president to stick to his guns. john yarmouth is one of those. >> if you look behind what they're saying, they're not willing to compromise in any way that touches wealthy americans. i'm not at all set on $250,000. i think that is a number that really is probably the wrong number. when i've had conversations with the white hous
, quote, john boehner has been willing to throw his conference under the bus repeatedly. house republicans should think very carefully if the faux tan face of john boehner is the face they want for their party the next two years. they should consider paul ryan as their speaker. that is ideological shots fired, if you will. and finally in a few minutes we do expect to hear from which party maine senator elect angus king will caucus with. interestingly enough we know of no one-on-one meetings. this is exactly what everyone has assumed the entire time that he will caucus with the democrats. >>> all right, general petraeus' replacement at the cia mike morell met tuesday. he'll speak with counterparts on the house side today about the scandals, the national security implications, why congress wasn't told soon er and, also, e assume benghazi will come up. joining me now the national investigative correspondent michael isikoff and capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. kelly, let me start with you before i get to mike on the latest on the general scandal itself. congress continues to basical
't think so. john boehner laughing in the face that the leader of the republican party from here on out might be paul ryan. that guy? the republican party pick its new face, its new leader after their electoral disaster. that's going to be an amazing thing to watch. here's just a case in point. it was an overall electoral disaster for republicans to lose the presidency. it was thought to be impossible for them to lose the presidency. nobody since the great depression has been reelected as president with an unemployment rate like the one we have now. but barack obama manage d to do it. just take as a case in point. the tremendous republican disaster in the united states senate. i mean, they had a bad night on tuesday night. but in the senate, it was a sure bet that the republicans were supposed to retake control of the senate this year. a sure bet. they are only defending ten seats. not only did the republicans not retake the senate, the democrats held on to control and increased their margins. that's impossible. in a year like this. and the depth of that failure is bottomless. look at h
for washington post, and michelle cottle. welcome to you both. dana, on the planet republican, john boehner was just re-elected to the speakership. he seems to think with his re-election comes the bigger mandate. is he serious? does he even have a mandate among hits own house republicans? >> i'm sure the voters of john boehner's district near cincinnati, ohio, do -- have given him a mandate to do exactly what he's doing. but he needs to represented the entire country when he's speaker of the house. >> oh, yes. cue remind him of that? >> there has to be a little bit of a game going on after the election. as both sides lay out their positions here. the president, i think, was doing some justifiable chest-thumping today saying, look, guys, i won this election last week. he's not budging on his position. it appears, as a matter of policy, the republicans are at least showing some indication to move, even while attempting to rhetorically deny the president this mandate. >> that's a contortion. paul ryan is leading the charge. here he is about his own shellacking. >> you don't think there's a man
. look, i think the white house was pleasantly surprised and open to what john boehner said. i mean, obviously, they appreciated what they thought was a very thoughtful and well thought out position that speaker boehner made publicly about where he sees the negotiations, where he's publicly putting out there where he's willing to move for now. obviously, everything's in negotiation, everything's a little bit of posturing. but it certainly was a much different tone, for instance, than what came out of mitch mcconnell's office office the election, and we've plowed through that plenty. i think what you're going to see now is the white house wants to attack a little bit of time, be thoughtful how public -- what they say publicly versus how much maneuverer ability is there. the other unnamed player is chuck shumer. chuck schumer publicly said i like simpson bowls in the it made an effort but i don't like what they're trying to do with taxes. we can't do this with tax reform. taxes should go up. he wants to move the negotiating position on the democrats in a little bit of a different dire
they already agreed to that. i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we heard the mandate in 2010, where i
. >> house speaker john boehner is also standing his ground, speaking ahead of the president friday. the speaker says he remains unwilling to raise taxes on upper income earners. >> everyone wants to get our economy moving again. everyone wants to get more americans back to work again. raising tax rates will slow down our ability to create the jobs that everyone says they want. >> joining me now, white house correspondent for the hill, amie parnes and "washington post" congressional reporter ed o'keefe. hi, you guys, good to see you both. let's talk fiscal cliff with you, starting with you, amie. the president says upper income americans are going to have to pay higher taxes. leader boehner essentially says no, that's a nonstarter. is all this just posturing and both have an idea where compromise is going to lie? >> i think they're trying to posture. but i think right now, president obama has the upper hand. i mean he's just won re-election. he's basically telling people, look, the american people elected me, because they want a stronger middle class. they want me to push what i hav
with the strains of kid rock's "born free," except, of course, now the lead singer is not romney, it's john boehner. if the speaker didn't get the message of this election, what about the ever erudite commentator and fox news analyst ann coulter. >> if mitt romney cannot win in this economy, then the tipping point has been reached. we have more takers than makers and it's over. >> of course it might equally be said that deriding 47% of the population as feckless freeloaders may be the reason why, as you say, it's now over. let's get right to our panel. here in new york, msnbc political analyst david corn, ana marie cox, correspondent for "the guardian" and msnbc contributor jared bernsteinbern senior fellow and former economist for vice president joe biden. david, we have had the makers and takers, the moochers and smoochers, the backers and the slackers, the fakers and the bakers but according to miss coulter it's the parasites who won. >> yes. i think if the republican party wants to take her advice, which they have always been so good at and just continue to deride 47%, 48%, 49%, 50%, 51%, 52%,
john boehner be forced to cave in to avoid the fiscal cliff? our brain trust will weigh in on that and a whole lot more. >>> plus, he was once talked about it as a possible presidential candidate? could general david petraeus, could he rebound from his resignation to make a political comeback one day? we'll talk about that. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. with something? nope! good talk. [ male announcer ] or free windows 8 training when you buy a computer at staples. another way staples makes it easier to upgrade. >>> welcome back. i'm craig melvin. here is a look at some of the top stories making news on this saturday. new york mayor michael bloomberg says the city will start deploying contractors this week to quickly repair homes damaged by hurricane sandy. bloomberg said that fema will foot most, if not all of the bill for the program. >>> meanwhile, protesters are taking to the streets in long island, where almost 200,000 are still without electricity. residents and lawmakers say they are fed up with what they say is a lack of action by the local util
speaker john boehner. to begin talks on how to prevent the country's economy from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. both boehner and snart majority leader harry reid sounded conciliatory notes yesterday. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans, but as americans. >> it's better to dance than to fight. it's better to work together. >> boehner even opened the door to raising new revenues, code for taxes, though not through tax rates. he does put on some conditions. >> in order to garner republican support for new revenues, the president must be willing to reduce spending and shore up entitlement programs that are the primary drivers of our debt. >> so that is a shift in a negotiating position. now boehner suggested temporarily extending the current tax rates, pushing serious negotiations on a broader tax deal into 2013. while the president has hinted in the past that he's willing to include the issues of social security and medicare in the fiscal negotiations, what's not clear is whether the rest of his party is going to be wil
-like reaction, not a cliff-like reaction, and the leaders of wall street will help john boehner to make a better deal rather than pressuring him to make a deal that's bad for the economy and the fear that we don't get a deal will lead to getting a deal because the pressure correctly applied. >> the issue here is will we go over the cliff? i stopped saying cliff. sorry. okay, okay. but i think the question is do we get to the grassy gradual slope or not and then level roonlg. this is the first time since 2010 that's obama's had the leverage with republicans and saying there, you mentioned that poll yesterday adding to the leverage because, voters, you think to go over this so-called cliff and referring to the nervousness. who will you blame? >> republicans. >> republicans. that's more leverage of obama on that question and look at. yeah, he didn't draw that red line as krystal said at the beginning but as close to be an absolutist for incomes over $250,000 as he can be. this is an issue that he ran on. this bothers him ruled by republicans two years ago and taxes are not where they should be hist
refused to consider higher tax rates. timing is also a sticking point here. here is john boehner this weekend. >> 2013 should be the year to begin to solve our debt through tax reform and entitlement reform. together we should avert the fiscal cliff in a manner that ensures 2013 finally is that year. >> no accident, by the way, it was boehner who did the republican response to the president this weekend. the president holds the most leverage in the next two months, directly after the election and before tax rates expire. when the threat of a tax increase on the middle class hangs over the negotiations. republicans would like to try out the negotiations to see the political climate is better for them in the next congress. the big question is how much did the white house learn from the failed debt talk to 2011? will the president bypass leader ship and begin to try to deal directly with the republican senators who have sounded the most open to compromise. >> i think there is a deal. the ying and yang of this is we know there have to be revenues. look, i haven't met a wealthy republ
of them voted democratic and half of them live in hollywood. >> reporter: but house speaker john boehner rejects any hike in tax rates. he would raise revenues by closing loopholes in the tax code. >> raising tax rates will slow down our ability to create the jobs that everyone says they want. >> reporter: failure to agree by the end of the year would trigger deep spending cuts and tax cuts. that could mean $2,000 more in taxes for the typical household. the jobless rate soaring to 9.1% by the end of the year. and possibly, another recession. boehner and the president were close to a deal last year. the so-called grand bargain, 4 trillion in debt reduction. many think that blueprint still works. >> and the real problem is, uncriminaled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration. >> reporter: experts warn of serious damage to the economy, if the standoff drags on. >> three or four weeks from now, they're making no progress at all, you're going to see the anxiety and the nervousness growing in the markets and the corporate board rooms
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